w4hammer 2:46 Mon Dec 7
Radical thinking from the Finns...
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Finland's government is drawing up plans to give every one of its citizens a basic income of 800 euros (£576) a month and scrap benefits altogether.
A poll commissioned by the agency planning the proposal, the Finnish Social Insurance Institute, showed 69% supported the basic income plan.
Prime Minister Juha Sipila was quote by QZ as backing the idea.
“For me, a basic income means simplifying the social security system,” she said.
The proposal would entitle each Finn to 800 euros tax free each month, which according to Bloomberg, would cost the government 52.2 billion euros a year.
The country's government will make a final decision on the plan in November 2016.
The Netherlands has already been trialling a similar proposal, with Utrecht set to undergo a pilot project next year.
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AT least it gives the asylum business a new country to aim their produce at!
That aside- ive always said that if you took out all the people who are involved in taking tax and redistibruiting it ( including this tex credit omnishambles) and scrapped benefits it would be more efficient so this might well work
Given they are the highest educated nations who dont go to school until they are 7, are on of the healthiest, albeit with one of the highest suicide rates, and highest standards of healthcare ion the world they are doing something right!
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mashed in maryland
2:50 Mon Dec 7
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I'm confused, does this mean that everyone will get 800 euros a month whatever job they do and whether they work or not?
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franksfat&slow&wank
2:52 Mon Dec 7
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time to move to finland if so hey mashed
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Mike Oxsaw
2:55 Mon Dec 7
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OK, the "costs" are up there, but what about the savings?
They can get rid of at least one government department (although, like everywhere, I expect all the civil servants to simply be redistributed internally rather than sacked).
If it only removes the overhead of taxing (some) people then giving them (their) money back, that must be seen as a good thing, although I expect every (other) administration in the western world to come up with a long string of "valid" reasons why it would never work in THEIR country..
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Darby_
2:55 Mon Dec 7
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Sounds like the government will tax people who are working and give it back to them as a wage.
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El Scorchio
2:58 Mon Dec 7
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Not bad in principle, but I am sure in reality it will create as many problems as it solves.
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gph
2:59 Mon Dec 7
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Finland seems to be a great place, if it wasn't in the wrong place.
Tow it down to be level with Spain, and the suicide rate would disappear.
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mashed in maryland
2:59 Mon Dec 7
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Darby_ 2:55 Mon Dec 7
What about people who don't work?
I've re-read the original post about 12 times and can't get my head round what it actually means.
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greenie1
3:04 Mon Dec 7
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I like Finland. Lovely people. Women out number the blokes.
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Sir Alf
3:07 Mon Dec 7
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All easier to do with a small population. Also helps if the GDP per capita is much higher and as a result taxes being high are not a stigma as they are in the neo classical economies of the USA and UK etc.
Too many people on our small island. Its like companies, good fun and more equality when they are small, start ups etc. Once they grwo, in efficiencies kick in, people hide and become lazy as they can ride on the back of others (metaphorically of course).
What is the ratio of pensioners to working population in Finalnd. Thats also a key factor.
Wish the UK had not left the doors open. :-(
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On The Ball
3:10 Mon Dec 7
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Not many pensioners Alf - don't forget the suicide rate!
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Mart O
3:12 Mon Dec 7
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Never met a Finn who wasn't a raging alcoholic
Warning: Mart O's dim and distant social life may not have been conducive to representative samples.
Always thought living in darkness had much to do with liking alcohol and self-induced death.
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Hani
3:20 Mon Dec 7
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Sounds like it's just for the unemployed, if you work you won't get this money. Also won't be any other benefits added on so no child benefits it's a lump sum to cover everything.
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w4hammer
3:22 Mon Dec 7
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Finland's government is drawing up plans to give every one of its citizens a basic income of 800 euros (£576) a month and scrap benefits altogether.
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read the above. It is for everyone. basically a state sponsored miminum wage...working or not
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Hani
3:23 Mon Dec 7
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Need to move to Finland then if that's the case.
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Mike Oxsaw
3:27 Mon Dec 7
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If every Finn of working age, regardless of status, gets 800 Euros a month then companies can correspondingly pay FINNS 800 Euros a month less. Bit like "Here's your 800 Euros, that's safe. You can try for more if you like by actually getting wealth creating employment and adding to that amount."
This may actually be a very clever way to prevent outsiders bowling up and claiming benefits, if it's not actually legally structured as a benefit. Got a Finnish passport? No? Fuck off then.
It also means that employing Finns over other nationalities is a bit more cost effective so the government may actually end up in the black by adopting this scheme.
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joe royal
3:29 Mon Dec 7
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800 euro a month will not go far in Finland.
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Leonard Hatred
3:35 Mon Dec 7
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I don't get it.
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w4hammer
3:39 Mon Dec 7
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Its a bit like the tax credit deal here, but for everyone- they have an increasing unemployment rate (10% overall) and I think the idea is that if you're on the dole you can afford to work part time on this money- and they save€€ on the admin. And as they are very socialist in their " we're in it together" they are sharing it out.
Or something like that...
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mashed in maryland
4:10 Mon Dec 7
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Leonard Hatred 3:35 Mon Dec 7
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mashed in maryland
4:10 Mon Dec 7
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Basically what I'm getting from it is that everyone, no matter what they do, even if they do nothing at all, gets a flat rate "wage" from the govt?
Have I got it right?
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